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Texas Female cop Kelly Elizabeth Helleson on cam giving 2 women body cavity searches during traffic stop

Discussion in 'Incidents of Police Abuse, Misconduct, Negligence' started by M, Dec 19, 2012.

  1. M

    M Muckraker

    Sincerely believing that she was in compliance with the law might affect the outcome of a civil case (e.g. punitive damages could be less likely and the immunity shield more likely to remain), but it won't affect the criminal case as long she knew what she was doing and did it with the intent of doing exactly that.

    But it will be a hard scam to pull off in court -- conducting medically unsanitary vaginal & anal searches on two people with one glove just isn't going to fly. The bimbo is toast.
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  2. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    This is one of the reasons polygraph tests are of negligible usefulness. People can rationalize just about anything, and the polygraph attempts to measure how a person feels about what they're saying. There are lots of ways to game these tests, and how a person feels about their answers to a set of questions doesn't always relate to what they've done in any practical sense.

    You can establish by polygraph that Helleson feels no guilt or shame over what she did to the two victims, but you can't prove she didn't assault the two women. Her lack of guilt or shame is hardly exculpatory.

    Many people feel guilt, shame and anxiety about practically everything. Others feel guilt, shame and anxiety about little or nothing. So? Polygraphs aren't really helpful in figuring out who's trustworthy and who isn't.
  3. RB

    RB Founding Member

    All I was suggesting is that ones belief can have an impact on a lie detector test.

    The lie detector test results are not usable as evidence if I understand correctly so I don't see the value in having done the test unless the police agency required it. Also the nature of the questions, how asked, and other details would be need to be known before any conclusion could me made.

    I think she is toast both criminally and civilly. The only thing that might save her is to demonstrate that she was trained to use the procedures she demonstrated on camera and to throw everyone above her under the bus.

    Bottom line no matter what she says, she personally violated these two women, should have known the search was not legal, and she should be held accountable for her actions.
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  4. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    Many times the lie detector is required by the department, but sometimes defendants will have one done to help bolster their case in the eyes of the public. With the current 24/7 micro-level news/psuedo-news cycles we have running, I am surprised we do not see this more often. Enterprising attorneys could release those results to the public ad nauseum in the hopes that more of the public will see some form of statement like "my client took the polygraph and it shows they did nothing wrong", or "the poly indicated my client never lied about this situation". I guess the flip side of that would be the increased use of it by prosecutors in the public eye, trying to generate opinions to sway to their side as well. Any of our resident litigators willing to weigh in with an opinion?

    I think she is toast as well, they have the video, the statements, and I also agree the only thing that could save her would be to convince enough people that her training taught her to do this. Even then, it will be a crap shoot for her.
  5. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    Given the video tape available and watched worldwide, trotting out a polygraph is worse than p*ssing in the ocean, it only destroys the credibility of polygraphs altogether. The video is impossible to dispute here. The telltale blue glove and the reach down under.

    This idiot copette Helleson is no different from Officer Vagnini in Milwaukie, who starts his multiple felony-count trial next month. He's going away for years, and there's no video evidence in his case. She won't do that much jail time because there is only one victim so far as we know.

    The interesting thing in this case is that DPS tried to sweep it under the rug, got surprised by the lawsuit and world-wide notoriety of the case, and were forced to refer it to the grand jury, which composed of citizens and not cops, saw this for what it was. It remains to be seen how the prosecutors, who are part and parcel of the charging/jailing apparatus along with the cops, play this one. Protect her as one of their own or throw her under the bus, as she's toxic and the whole world is watching. My bet is under the bus she goes. A conviction and jail sentence will help lower the settlement amount for DPS in the civil case, IMO.
  6. RB

    RB Founding Member

    First time offender will likely not get actual jail time although I would like to see her locked up and the key lost for about 30 years.
  7. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    First time offender under color of authority? You may be right legally. But she absolutely should get jail time. It's far worse when a cop does this.
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  8. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I don't see the point to retaliatory punishment for Helleson, but citizens need to know they're safe from this type of assault and Helleson needs to understand and acknowledge that what she did was wrong as well as hurtful. It's absolutely incredible to me that an adult woman wouldn't know that the assault Helleson committed against the two women travelers was profoundly damaging. There are some unanswered questions. Is Helleson a sadist, or was she trained to see citizens as subhumans? What on earth was this foul broad thinking when she committed this disgusting, disturbing crime?
  9. RB

    RB Founding Member

    If I did that to a woman (or two) it would be called raped. She belongs in jail for a couple of years and I don't think that is retaliatory punishment.
  10. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    There's a couple of 16 year olds in Ohio sentenced to a year in jail for digitally penetrating an unconscious girl. That's rape. It's no different when Helleson does this by force under colour of authority. Punishment by jail is not lex talionis, which it would be if the two victims were allowed to take a broomhandle to the perp in this case to "get even". It is rather justice, an attempt to make something right. There will be a financial component to this, and there will be a criminal justice to this because of the nature of this injustice. Justice demands that the perp answer and compensate in real terms for what she did.

    Currently, she exhibits no remorse and insists she did nothing wrong. I fail to see where this attitude gets anything but the book thrown at her. And at her stupid lawyer trying to get her job back.

    I wouldn't object if Helleson were sentenced to a work farm for a year with the proceeds going toward the victims here.
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  11. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    mugshot yet, Mike?
  12. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Yep. You're right. No understanding, no remorse, no mercy.
  13. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    She'll be eating a lot of carpet on the cell block, that's for sure.
  14. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    I would. This was under color of law, so she should get at least ten years.
  15. M

    M Muckraker

    No info at the Dallas County Jail lookup. However, they only show info for currently incarcerated detritus.

    They do show up in the court records searches now, nothing too exciting but I did snag their exact birth dates for the base post.

    David Farrell's got his 34th coming up May 4. I suggest a nice card & a clean pair of gloves, address is in the base post.

    Kelly Helleson's 33rd was last Chistmas Eve, when she was reportedly hunkered down at Casa Kelly with Texas DPS blocking the roads. Hold off on the cards, as she might have a new address with mailing restrictions by the time her 34th rolls around.
    Last edited: Oct 6, 2013
  16. M

    M Muckraker

    This allegation will be awesome of they can support it.

    New York Daily News: Two Texas state troopers indicted for roles in roadside body cavity search of two women (Mar 24 2013)

    Steven McCraw, the director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, was also named in the women's suit because he allegedly knew about other similar strip and cavity searches and failed to stop them. His department couldn’t be reached for comment Sunday.
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  17. RB

    RB Founding Member

    She may not have been charged yet. Just because the Grand Jury votes to indict doesn't mean the indictment has been sent down.
  18. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    If that is proved, DPS will be facing a very hefty $ettlement.
  19. M

    M Muckraker

    There are already 4 counts in the official court criminal records.

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